Regular Member Meeting 2018 04 10 - Revision history

185.20.99.141: ok

2018-04-11T00:58:12Z

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	:Members present: Karen Tom Tayeb Enrique Ken Kevin Bobby		:Members present: Karen Tom Tayeb Enrique Ken Kevin Bobby
	:Members remote: Juri Mirage		:Members remote: Juri Mirage
	:Others present: Aiden		:Others present: Aiden Diego
	:[[Quorum]]		:[[Quorum]]
	:: Quorum met?		:: Quorum met?
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	== New Members ==		== New Members ==

			Diego -- voted unanimously

	== Old Business ==		== Old Business ==

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Director Reports (Governance related stuff): asdf

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	== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==		== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==

	(see BOD meeting minutes)		''(see BOD meeting minutes)''

	=== President's Report ===		=== President's Report ===

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mirage335: ok

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	=== mirage335 ===		=== mirage335 ===

			''moved to another location''

	== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==		== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==

185.20.99.141: remove mirage's words

2018-04-11T00:16:43Z

remove mirage's words

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	=== mirage335 ===		=== mirage335 ===
	Most importantly, lack of barriers to entry, such as strict rules about equipment usage, borrowing, or supplies consumption, has been a huge success at HacDC, to be continued. We have not had a problem with accidents, nor substantial damage from supplies overconsumption, nor theft. Permanent injuries have not happened, tools have not been damaged in operation, and minimal supplies budgets have not remotely been drained. This is an important part of HacDC's unique character to be continued.

	All major problems at HacDC have been the result of total absence of common sense or deliberate abuse. Most probably deliberate abuse. These incidents are in an entirely separate category from on-mission activities, while often using the same resources.

	'''We need to require disruptive members, and the disruptive guests they allow, to reach a credible "cease and desist" agreement, or be immediately barred from the space until they do. We need to do this without interfering with, or discouraging, our vast majority of contributing volunteers. Immediate action is not a permanent banhammer, but it may be followed with such.'''

	Our bylaw amendment, empowering the board to bar access for "substantial cause", is also intended to apply to members who bring trouble, as well as their own behaviour. Members bringing in live ammunition, would be responsible for doing so safely, as opposed to displaying it in an obviously threatening manner. Likewise, members are responsible for the guests they bring in, and can be barred for continuing to allow disruptive guests.

	Explicit rules alone are not the answer. Too many situations will involve substantial cause that involve resources being used as expected, to a degree that is not appropriate. Rearranging some things in the space is normal. Occasionally using a TV set is normal. Sitting in a chair is normal. Even some personal use may be normal, below the threshold of what the IRS would consider substantial. Scattering the components of a tool, burning days of daytime TV on a maintenance intensive display, or sleeping overnight in a chair, is not appropriate.

	'''What we need to do, is provide guidance - in addition to rules - to fairly explain to newcomers, members, and guests - the wonderful things they are allowed to do, as well as the category of things they are expected not to do. Realistically, most would never think of doing the things in the latter category to begin with.'''

	~~To that end, a Wiki document was written a while back as ''guidance'' summarizing some norms as well as the mechanics of how things could work.~~
	~~https://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/ResponsibilitiesOfMembership~~

	To provide further guidance of what is in the category of on-mission, as opposed to inappropriate, use of HacDC resources, another wiki document has been put up. It may be the first attempt to formally write down the culture of how HacDC operates, both to encourage newcomers to quickly become comfortable with the freedom we offer, as well as to provide a sense of fairness for policy makers.
	~~https://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/NormsOfHacDC~~

	== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==		== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==

185.20.99.141: in progress

2018-04-11T00:00:41Z

in progress

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	=== Project IT Infrastructure - Tom ===		=== Project IT Infrastructure - Tom ===
			Still looking for problems to throw money at.

	== Member Reports ==		== Member Reports ==
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	== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==		== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==

			(see BOD meeting minutes)

	=== President's Report ===		=== President's Report ===

185.20.99.141: ok

2018-04-10T23:50:32Z

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	== Recognition ==		== Recognition ==

	Many HacDC members helped out for a successful showing at USASEF. Avi helped ~~out for~~ us to have a great lockpicking station.		Many HacDC members helped out for a successful showing at USASEF.
			Avi helped us have a great lockpicking station.

	== New Members ==		== New Members ==

185.20.99.141: begin

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begin

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	:: Quorum met?		:: Quorum met?

	~~''''~~yes		yes

	== Approval of Previous Meeting's Minutes ==		== Approval of Previous Meeting's Minutes ==

			Approved

	== Recognition ==		== Recognition ==

			Many HacDC members helped out for a successful showing at USASEF. Avi helped out for us to have a great lockpicking station.

	== New Members ==		== New Members ==

96.88.198.77: /* Time and Location */ asdf

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Time and Location: asdf

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	== Time and Location ==		== Time and Location ==
	:Date		:Date
	:Called to order at ~~xxxx~~ pm by ~~xxxx~~		:Called to order at 1942 pm by Karen
	:Members present:		:Members present: Karen Tom Tayeb Enrique Ken Kevin Bobby
	:Members remote:		:Members remote: Juri Mirage
	:Others present:		:Others present: Aiden
	:[[Quorum]]		:[[Quorum]]
	:: Quorum met?		:: Quorum met?

			''''yes

	== Approval of Previous Meeting's Minutes ==		== Approval of Previous Meeting's Minutes ==

Mirage335: /* mirage335 */

2018-04-10T21:03:57Z

mirage335

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	Explicit rules alone are not the answer. Too many situations will involve substantial cause that involve resources being used as expected, to a degree that is not appropriate. Rearranging some things in the space is normal. Occasionally using a TV set is normal. Sitting in a chair is normal. Even some personal use may be normal, below the threshold of what the IRS would consider substantial. Scattering the components of a tool, burning days of daytime TV on a maintenance intensive display, or sleeping overnight in a chair, is not appropriate.		Explicit rules alone are not the answer. Too many situations will involve substantial cause that involve resources being used as expected, to a degree that is not appropriate. Rearranging some things in the space is normal. Occasionally using a TV set is normal. Sitting in a chair is normal. Even some personal use may be normal, below the threshold of what the IRS would consider substantial. Scattering the components of a tool, burning days of daytime TV on a maintenance intensive display, or sleeping overnight in a chair, is not appropriate.

	'''What we need to do, is provide guidance - in addition to rules - to fairly explain to newcomers, members, and guests - the wonderful things they are allowed to do, as well as ~~what~~ the category of things they are expected not to do. Realistically, most would never think of doing the things in the latter category to begin with.'''		'''What we need to do, is provide guidance - in addition to rules - to fairly explain to newcomers, members, and guests - the wonderful things they are allowed to do, as well as the category of things they are expected not to do. Realistically, most would never think of doing the things in the latter category to begin with.'''

	To that end, a Wiki document was written a while back as ''guidance'' summarizing some norms as well as the mechanics of how things could work.		To that end, a Wiki document was written a while back as ''guidance'' summarizing some norms as well as the mechanics of how things could work.
	https://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/ResponsibilitiesOfMembership		https://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/ResponsibilitiesOfMembership

	To provide further guidance of what is in the category of on-mission, as opposed to inappropriate, use of HacDC resources, another wiki document has been put up. ~~This document is mostly intended~~ to ~~illustrate~~ to newcomers ~~and~~ policy makers ~~just how wide the gap is between these categories~~.		To provide further guidance of what is in the category of on-mission, as opposed to inappropriate, use of HacDC resources, another wiki document has been put up. It may be the first attempt to formally write down the culture of how HacDC operates, both to encourage newcomers to quickly become comfortable with the freedom we offer, as well as to provide a sense of fairness for policy makers.
	https://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/NormsOfHacDC		https://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/NormsOfHacDC

Mirage335: /* Member Reports */

2018-04-10T19:16:48Z

Member Reports

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	== Member Reports ==		== Member Reports ==

			=== mirage335 ===
			Most importantly, lack of barriers to entry, such as strict rules about equipment usage, borrowing, or supplies consumption, has been a huge success at HacDC, to be continued. We have not had a problem with accidents, nor substantial damage from supplies overconsumption, nor theft. Permanent injuries have not happened, tools have not been damaged in operation, and minimal supplies budgets have not remotely been drained. This is an important part of HacDC's unique character to be continued.

			All major problems at HacDC have been the result of total absence of common sense or deliberate abuse. Most probably deliberate abuse. These incidents are in an entirely separate category from on-mission activities, while often using the same resources.

			'''We need to require disruptive members, and the disruptive guests they allow, to reach a credible "cease and desist" agreement, or be immediately barred from the space until they do. We need to do this without interfering with, or discouraging, our vast majority of contributing volunteers. Immediate action is not a permanent banhammer, but it may be followed with such.'''

			Our bylaw amendment, empowering the board to bar access for "substantial cause", is also intended to apply to members who bring trouble, as well as their own behaviour. Members bringing in live ammunition, would be responsible for doing so safely, as opposed to displaying it in an obviously threatening manner. Likewise, members are responsible for the guests they bring in, and can be barred for continuing to allow disruptive guests.

			Explicit rules alone are not the answer. Too many situations will involve substantial cause that involve resources being used as expected, to a degree that is not appropriate. Rearranging some things in the space is normal. Occasionally using a TV set is normal. Sitting in a chair is normal. Even some personal use may be normal, below the threshold of what the IRS would consider substantial. Scattering the components of a tool, burning days of daytime TV on a maintenance intensive display, or sleeping overnight in a chair, is not appropriate.

			'''What we need to do, is provide guidance - in addition to rules - to fairly explain to newcomers, members, and guests - the wonderful things they are allowed to do, as well as what the category of things they are expected not to do. Realistically, most would never think of doing the things in the latter category to begin with.'''

			To that end, a Wiki document was written a while back as ''guidance'' summarizing some norms as well as the mechanics of how things could work.
			https://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/ResponsibilitiesOfMembership

			To provide further guidance of what is in the category of on-mission, as opposed to inappropriate, use of HacDC resources, another wiki document has been put up. This document is mostly intended to illustrate to newcomers and policy makers just how wide the gap is between these categories.
			https://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/NormsOfHacDC

	== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==		== Director Reports (Governance related stuff) ==